The Carson Family of Philadelphia & Pittsburgh
“Who Was Carson Street Named After?”
A Series of South Side History
By Ed Vidunas and
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15203

June 20, 2020 publication of preliminary draft


This paper was created as a set of notes in the discovery of the name of the person who Carson Street was named after. It is being made public so others can get information on this and other information pertaining to South Side and Pittsburgh in general. It is said repeatedly that Carson Street was named after a sea captain from Philadelphia who was a friend of Nathaniel Bedford. That may be true but evidence shows it is more likely to be false. It should be noted that the same given names were used by generation after generation and the same first name twice within the same family. This really made researching the families “interesting”.

Note: Names in parentheses, (Baker), are maiden names of the women.
Note: I use birth dates (b. 1801) and markers (W1) to ensure correct tie-backs.

The Carson Family from Ireland
Notes on Four Family Members who left Ireland for America

Three brothers, William, Joseph and Andrew, along with their sister, Mary arrived in Philadelphia from County Antrim, Ireland (now in Northern Ireland). This was believed to be about 1759* or prior to the War of Independence. William may have been married in Ireland but his brothers were married in the colonies. In as much as there are a number of Carson families in Ireland this line of Carson has direct ties to Pittsburgh and through business and professional endeavors would have known Nathaniel Bedford.

Some documents have indicated that the Carson family originated from Scotland. I do not think that is true as several documents that have greater authenticity have said Ireland. Wolf, writing in Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania has them coming from Scotland nin the sixteenth century.
Note*: Originally I had 1750, which is incorrect.

(1) William Carson was born on March 25, 1728. He became an innkeeper and owner of the Harp & Crown in Philadelphia at the corner of Third Street and Elbow Lane. He was married about 1751 to Mary Hamilton. They had six children. Mary was born in 1729 and died on April 29, 1802. William died on march 13, 1786.

Mary returned to Scotland after William’s death.
See The children of William (1728) and Mary (Hamilton) Carson, below.
As written in Bedford’s Death Notice (Obituary) in the Pittsburgh Weekly Gazette, Pittsburgh, March 31, 1818, William Carson (1728) was the father of Dr. John Carson (1752) who was the father to Captain John Carson (1777).
The Children of Dr. John & Agnes (Hunter) Carson, below.

Sub-Note on the Harp & Crown
William Carson became proprietor of the Harp & Crown after he came to America. He had it prior to and during the War of Independence during which he called it the Harp & Eagle. Captain Barnabas McShane (b. 1747 – d. 1803) had the “Sign of the Harp & Crown” in May of 1787. Heiskell & Nibble renamed it City Hotel when they replaced it with a new building. It opened in 1807 but was town down before the Civil War.

The Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography, Historical Society of Pennsylvania, 1922
Pennsylvania Magazine identifies William’s wife as Mary Hamilton and I accept that.

(2) Joseph Carson, born in 1738, was a merchant in Philadelphia and ten years younger than William. Joseph was born in 1738. He married Mary Correy.
No additional information follows.

(3) Andrew Carson was born in Ireland before 1739. After arriving in Philadelphia, he married Jane Hall on March 1, 1769 and moved to Northumberland County who was born in New London, Chester County in 1743.
No additional information follows.

(4) Mary Carson seems to have no history.
No additional information follows.

The Children of (1) William & Mary (Hamilton) Carson
Notes on Six Children of William (1728) and Mary Carson
John, Dr. (1752), James (1756), Joseph (1758), William (1760),
Mary “Molly” (1761), Elizabeth (1764)

(W1) Dr. John Carson (b. November 12, 1752 – d. October 26, 1794) eldest son
John was born in Philadelphia but went to Edinburgh to study medicine.
He married Agnes Hunter in Edinburgh about 1775 and moved to Philadelphia sometimes after.
It was never explained in Ann (Baker) Carson’s memoirs why but the Carson family were not happy with this marriage.
Agnes Hunter (b. 1755 Scotland – d. 1826 Redhouse, Linlithgoshire, Scotland)
Children (10):
John, Jacobina, Mary, Christian Febiger, and Sarah Febiger.
William, James, Peter, Joseph, Elizabeth Febiger.
See the Children of Dr. John & Agnus (Hunter) Carson, below.

(W2) James Carson
Became a lawyer and lived with his sister Mary O’Hara in Pittsburgh.

(W3) Joseph Carson
Married Elizabeth (Lawrence) (b. 1778 – d. September 1827)
Joseph had one son, Joseph, who became a doctor. Born April 19, 1808.

W3a) Dr. Joseph Carson (1808)
He served on the ship Georgiana for a year’s voyage to the East Indies having returned in 1832.
He first married Mary Goddard in 1841 but they did not have children.
His second marriage in 1848 to Mary Hollingsworth resulted in four children:
Joseph, Hampton Lawrence (below), George Correy, and Henry.

Hampton Lawrence (b. February 21, 1852 – d. July 18, 1929) was Attorney General of Pennsylvania from January 21, 1903 to January 16, 1907. He married Anna Lea Baker in 1880 having two sons and two daughters.
See Anna Lea (Barker) Carson 1854, below

(W4) Willian Carson
There is something on each of the children of William and Mary except William. For all the books and papers that I have seen there is nothing on William.

(W5) Mary Carson
William’s daughter, Mary Carson, (1761) married General James O'Hara (quartermaster), who later served as Quartermaster General of the U.S. Army. Mary met O’Hara in her father’s tavern, The Harp & Crown. They married in 1783 and moved to Pittsburgh in 1784. Mary was born February 19, 1761 in Philadelphia and died in Pittsburgh on April 8, 1834.
See The Carson Family in Pittsburgh, below.

Mary Carson (1761) married James O’Hara (1752 – 1819); married in 1783
Her daughter, Mary Carson O’Hara married William Croghan Jr.
Mary Carson Croghan had a daughter Mary Elizabeth who married Edward W. H. Schenley.
Mary Elizabeth Croghan Schenley (April 27, 1826 Louisville, Ky – November 5, 1903 London)
William Croghan Sr. lived at Picnic in Pittsburgh and died on September 22, 1850.
His wife Mary died October 25, 1827. James and Mary had six children.
Mary’s brother, James, moved to Pittsburgh. But what of Elizabeth Neville?

Children of James and Mary Carson (W5) O’Hara
James O'Hara, Jr. About 1783.

Mary O'Hara 1803 – 1827
Mary Carson O’Hara married William Croghan Jr. of Louisville, Kentucky.
Her daughter Mary would become Mary Schenley, as noted above.
​Do not get Mary Croghan Schenley (b. 1826) confused with Mary Carson (J7).

Elizabeth Febiger O'Hara, married Harmer Denny on November 25, 1817, son of Ebenezer Denny, first mayor of Pittsburgh.

Unknown Female O'Hara but married William Darlington of Pittsburgh.
That marriage led to the Darlington and McCullough families.

Sub-Note on William Croghan Jr. and Mary Croghan Schenley
(b. 1794 January 2, Louisville KY – d. 1850 September, Pittsburgh, PA)
William Croghan’s father, William (b. 1752 Dublin, Ireland) married to Lucy Clark (b. 1765) who was the sister of William Clark of the Lewis & Clark Expedition.
Father of Mary (Croghan) Schenley

Mary Croghan Schenley (b. 1826, Louisville KY – d. 1903 November 5, London)
Married Edward Wyndham Harrington Schenley (d. 1878) in 1842.
They had 7 children.

Croghan & Clark Families

These need additional investigation
William Carson O’Hara married his cousin Mary Carson, no children.

James O’Hara married Elizabeth Neville, no children.

Charles O’Hara died young.

Richard Butler O’Hara married Mary Fitzsimnons,

(W6) Elizabeth Carson
Born about 1754 and died January 5, 1817. Married August 14, 1777.
Elizabeth Carson, married Revolutionary War hero Colonel Christian Febiger.
Christian and Elizabeth had no children of their own, and adopted John's son by his Scottish wife, Agnes Hunter (Christian Carson, later changed his name to Christian Carson Febiger, father of Admiral John Carson Febiger). Elizabeth met Febiger in her father’s tavern, Th Harp & Crown.

The Children of (W1) Dr. John & Agnes (Hunter) Carson

Memoirs has Dr. John and Agnus having nine children.
(J1) Christian Febiger, third son adopted by his uncle Col. Christian Febiger
(J2) Elizabeth married Col. Febiger
(J3) Jacobina, eldest daughter, went to Scotland with her mother and married Forsyth
(J4) James, no content at this time.
(J5) John, Captain, was apprenticed to William Crammond, a Philadelphia merchant.
Captain John Carson married Ann Baker.
(J6) Joseph, no content at this time.
(J7) Mary was adopted by Mary Carson O’Hara. She married Mary’s son William O’hara, who died 48 hours after. Mary then left for Edinborugh and married lawyer Lama.
(J8) Peter, no content at this time.
(J9) Sarah Febiger, youngest daughter
(J10) William, the second son ran away at age 11 and joined the East India Company then pressed in to the British navy.

(J1) Christian Febiger, third son adopted by his uncle Col. Christian Febiger.

(J3) Jacobina Carson b. 10 Dec 1778 – d . Edinburgh, Scotland)
Jacobina Carson 1778 - accompanied her mother to Scotland, following her father's death, in 1794 and there she married Robert FORSYTH of Edinburgh, by whom she had issue.

(J5) Capt. John Carson (b. 10 Jul 1777 – d . 29 Jan 1816)
See the Carson-Baker Marriages, below.

Capt. John Carson 1777 – 1816, married Ann Baker on June 16, 1801.
John was 17 when his father died.
John was born July 10, 1777, graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1791, was commissioned master in the US. Navy, November 20, 1798, and Lieutenant June 13, 1799. He married June 16, 1801, Ann BAKER, and had issue, concerning whom, however, the present writer has no knowledge
, as they removed to the southwestern states early in the nineteenth century (This is suspect), John CARSON Jr. died January 29, 1816.
Ann Baker was 15 when she married. Her father was Capt. Baker; first name unknown.

William Carson W1 (b. 1728) married Mary Hamilton)
William Carson W1 (b. 1728) was the father of Dr. John Carson (b. 1752).
Dr. John Carson married Agnes Hunter in Edinburgh.
Dr. John Carson was the father of Capt. John Carson (1777).
Dr. John Carson was the father of Mary Carson (b. ).
Capt. John Carson married Agnes Baker.

Sub-Note on John Carson
Eldest son of John and Agnus.
Born in Philadelphia on July 10, 1777 (Bedford was in Pittsburgh at this time)
Married Ann Lea Baker on June 16, 1801
Died on January 28, 1816 after being shot and killed by Richard Smith in a duel.
Ann was never in love with John and only married him upon pressure of her father who was also a sea captain. Both her father and John were drunk a good deal of time. Was in love with Richard. John left for India and was gone a long time. Thinking he may have died Ann married Richard but this never went through the courts making her marriage to Richard bigamy. John returns and surprises Ann, who I snow living with Richard. Sparks fly. See more of this below under
Anna Lea (Barker) Carson 1854.

(J7) Mary Carson 1782 – married to James O’Hara Jr. Taken in by Mary Carson O’Hara.
Mary was in Pittsburg and ag 12 when her father died. Her aunt Mary was in Pittsburgh and took her in. Jacobina was age sixteen. Travel across the Atlantic Ocean had to have been rugged in those days even for an experienced sailor. I am sure Mrs. Carson thought Mary was too young for such a journey but Jacobina was 16 and would have allowed Mrs. Carson to keep one of her daughters.

Christian Febiger Carson (b. Jan 1787 1 – d . 1829 Cincinnati)
Christian Febiger Carson 1787 – 1829 Adopted by his uncle and aunt, Christian and Elizabeth.

Mary Carson b. 14 Apr 1782 – d . Edinburgh, Scotland)
Mary was adopted by her aunt, Mary O’Hara of Pittsburgh.
First marriage to James O’Hara in Pittsburgh.
Mary and James were first cousins.
Second marriage to James L’Amy in Edinburgh.
See The Carson Family in Pittsburgh, below.

(J9 Sarah Febiger Carson (b. 1 Dec 1791 – d . 16 Jul 1866)
Sarah Febiger Carson 1791 - 1866 married August 25, 1818, Joseph Brown Lapsley.

(J10) William, son of Dr. John Carson, had a son, John, who was Captain John Carson and Ann Baker’s husband. Could this be the sea captain that Carson Street was named after.

Mary Carson (1761) was Captain John Carson’s sister who married James O’Hara.
Mary Carson O’Hara’s father was the original William who came from Ireland.
Mary & James O’Hara were married in Philadelphia before moving to Pittsburgh in 1792.
Mary adopted Mary (1782) after Dr. John Carson’s death in 1794.

John Carson was adopted by William Crammond, a merchant
John graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1791, was commissioned master in the US. Navy, November 20, 1798, and Lieutenant June 13, 1799.

The Carson-Baker Marriages
There are two wives with maiden name Baker

This caused me some confusion and took some time to see that I wasn’t mistaken but it is very odd that two members of a family, both doctors, married women having practically the same name.

Anne Lea Baker Marriage to Captain John Carson
Ann Lea Baker married Captain John Carson (J5), son of Dr. John Carson (W1).
Dr. John Carson’s (
W1) father was William (W1).

Captain Baker, Ann’s father took ill with Yellow Fever whilst on a voyage. He gave command to his First Lieutenant, Mr. Jones, who also fell to the fever. Thus, the care of the ship went to Captain Carson and two seamen. Ann and her mother went to New Castle to meet the ship. This was the first time 15-year-old Anne met Captain Carson. He was smitten at once by her appearance of being more mature looking than. She was.

Ann Lea (Baker) Carson and Captain John Carson
Ann’s father was in command of the Navy ship Delaware and John Carson was second lieutenant. Ann was fourteen at the time. She married Carson in June and was two months away of turning 16. Anne’s first son was John.
John Carson was a sea captain.

Ann had two sisters; Sarah, younger than Ann and May, younger than Ann. Memoirs has Eliza the eldest.
Mary was married to Thomas Abbott.
Eliza was married to John Hutton.

Ann married John Carson in June 1801, Richard Smith afterwards
She had three sons:
John Carson (b. 1802) Worked in a counting house
William Carson (b. 1805) Cabinet maker
Joseph Carson (b. 1808) Printer

Ann Lea Baker Carson Smith (1785 – d. 1824 in prison)

In Ann (Baker) Carson’s “
Memoirs” she uses her second marriage name Smyrh.
The memoirs have a series of letters between Ann and a Miss Mary W.
Page xiii: She says Christian Febiger and Captain Carson are brothers.
Elizabeth Carson, married Revolutionary War hero Colonel Christian Febiger.
Christian and Elizabeth had no children of their own, and adopted John's son by his Scottish wife, Agnes Hunter (Christian Carson, later changed his name to Christian Carson Febiger, father of Admiral John Carson Febiger

Page 89, Second Edition: William Carson, a barber, was grandfather of Captain Carson. William’s son who became a doctor was Captain John Carson’s father. William’s son James was a lawyer. He was living in Pittsburgh with his sister, Mary.

“Ann Baker's father was an alcoholic sailor who could not support his family of seven children and eliminated one hungry face at the family dinner table by forcing her at fifteen to marry an ill-tempered, alcoholic ship captain who rarely contributed financially whether he was on a voyage to India or back in Philadelphia.”

John was lost at sea and after some time Ann presumed him to be dead. She then married Lieutenant Richard Smith in Philadelphia, only to have Carson reappear about 1815. The men at sometime within a year fought and Smith shot John Carson who dies a few days after. Smith and Ann Carson were jailed as an accessory to murder.

Anna Lea Baker Marriage to lawyer Hampton Lawrence Carson
Anna Lea Baker (b. 1854 –d. 1933) was the daughter of John Remigius Baker and Anna Robeson Lea.
She married lawyer Hampton Lawrence Carson, son of Dr. Joseph Carson on April 14, 1880.
Anna Lea (1854) is not the Ann Lea (1785) of whom we are interested in.
Hampton Lawrence Carson (b. February 21, 1852 Philadelphia – d. July 18, 1929 Bryn Mawr)
Carson's father was Dr. Joseph Carson (W3a, b. 1808), professor in medicine at the University of Pennsylvania, whose grandfather had emigrated to Philadelphia in the 1740s. Carson's mother, born Mary Hollingsworth.
Married Anna Lea Baker (b. 1854) on April 14, 1880. Baker’s parents were John R. & Anna Lea Baker.
They had children: Joseph, Hope, John B., and Anna Hampton.

The Carson-Baker Children

Agnes Hunter
Born in Scotland in 1755 and died same in 1826.
Married to Dr. John Carson in Edinburgh in 1775 or 76.
They moved to Philadelphia but she returned to Scotland after his death inn1794.
She had five children.

Nathaniel Bedford and Birmingham Borough
(This section may be moved to the Dr. Bedford Notes page)

Nathaniel Bedford (b. 1755 – d. 1818) was born in Birmingham, England. He became a surgeon and during some of his time in the British Armey was supposedly stationed in Philadelphia and served onboard a British ship. He arrived in Pittsburgh where he resigned his commission about 1770.

Standard History of Pittsburgh (published in 1898) says he never married, which is not true as we know he married Jane Ormsby and after her death in 1790he married his wife’s maid. Most others refer to the maid as the lady-maid or pretty-maid.
Bedford advertised Birmingham lots in the Pittsburgh Gazette on June 27, 1811.
1768 Land along the Monongahela river to Bedford

After Bedford’s death, his second wife, Mary, moved to Bayard’s town, now known as the Strip District. I can find nothing on her.

Ormsby deeded land to Bedford as shown on a map of 1787. Two tracks of land were identified near South 1st St in the area of the intersection of Carson and Arlington Avenue. Bedford and John Ormsby had strong ties between one another due to their involvement in the church and community.

There is no evidence that Carson Street was named after Captain Christian Carson of Philadelphia. He was, though family, a relative of Mary Carson of Philadelphia who married James O’Hara. There was a Dr. John Carson in Philadelphia who was also a family member but dates do not support his name as being the person. I cannot find very much on Bedford prior to his arrival in Pittsburgh. In all the writings I have seen they all repeat the same line only changing friend with acquaintance. Was the captain an “old” friend or an acquaintance?

Carson Family in Pittsburgh in 1811
Nathaniel Bedford was to have given Carson Street its name in 1811, We know Mary Carson was here but her last name was O’Hara. I can find nothing that they knew one another in Philadelphia. There were other Carson family members in Pittsburgh but nothing suggests a connection to Carson Street.

Post Clippings on Bedford, Market House, Carson by E. W. Hassler
For Streets: Thomas Denman and William Osborn gave lectures on obstetrics, which Bedford attended. Bedford was given a copper plated diploma dated April 8, 1770, London. The diploma was in the possession of Dr. Robert B. Mowry, whose uncle, Dr. Peter Mowry, was a partner with Bedford since 1786. A story on the Post on June 18, 1883 indicated that Bedford was “well established here in 1784”.
The Post has Jane Ormsby’s death as July 8, 1790.
The Post mentions Bedford’s marriage to Jane’s pretty maid.
The Post notes that Bedford’s will names his executors were: Mrs. Mary Bedford, Dr. Peter Mowry, and James Patterson.

The Post noted that Carson Street was after an old sea captain living in Philadelphia. The writer for the Post said that it was “
Suggested to me that this Captain Carson was the father of the wife of General James O’Hara, whose maiden name was Mary Carson”. Rearraigning that, Mary Carson’s father was Captain Carson. Mary Carson’s husband was James O’Hara. This Mary Carson was born in 1782 to William & Mary (Hamilton) Carson. But Mary Carson’s father was not a captain.

Bingham Street was named after Bedford’s sister, Mrs. Martha Bedford of Birmingham, England.
Sixth St after Oliver
Eight St. after Joseph Ormsby
Thirteenth St. after Ormsby.
Sidney Street was named after Miss Sidney Ormsby, the younger sister of Bedford’s wife, Jane.
Jane Street was for Bedford’s wife, Jane.
Sidney married Gregg, (Seventh St.)
Bedford’s Will names a Samuel Bedford but not indication as to who he is. It does mention Nathaniel Bedford Bingham as the son of his sister, Martha.

Samuel Bedford
Jane (Ormsby) Bedford died in childbirth in 1790. Nothing has been documented that her child survived but it is possible as child have survived childbirth when the mother has passed. We can only assume at this time that the child may have survived. Nathaniel Bedford’s Will did mention a Samuel Bedford but no mention as to his relationship or place. Nathaniel “contracted a marriage” with Jane’s “pretty maid” after Jane’s death. Was it to so that the maid could mother the child? Nathaniel’s sister Martha in England was married to the Bingham family in England and had a son Nathaniel Bedford Bingham.

The Carson Family in Pittsburgh

James O’Hara returned to Pittsburgh with Mary Carson as his wife. Mary’s brother, James came along and lived with his sister in the O’Hara house. James and Mary O’Hara started a family in Pittsburgh but Mary’s brother James was not known to have married.

After Dr. John Carson (W1) died, Agnes moved back to Edinburgh but split the children.
Doctor Carson’s sister, Mary (W5) adopted Agnes’ daughter Mary (J3) and took her to Pittsburgh. Mary (J3) married Mary’s (W5) son James O’Hara Jr.

I can find nothing placing a sea captain Carson in Pittsburgh or Bedford ever knowing one.

The Naming of Carson Street in Pittsburgh

We know that Carson Street was in existence as early as 1835 as it was shown on the Keyon Map of that year. I have to believe that it was a part of Bedford’s plan in 1811. Know that he would have to had known Carson prior to his arrival in Pittsburgh between 1750 and 1770.

Was Carson Street named after Captain John Carson?
NO! John was in the US Navy whilst Bedford was in the British Army and would have been on a British ship. Most noticeable was that Bedford was in Pittsburgh at the time of Carson’s birth in Philadelphia in 1777.

Was Carson Street named after Dr. Joseph Carson who was married to Elizabeth Lawrence?
Married Elizabeth (Lawrence) born on 1778.
Joseph had one son, Joseph, who became a doctor. Born April 19, 1808.
The answer would be no as he was never a captain. I can’t. find evidence trying him to Bedford other than they were both doctors.

Was Carson Street named after Mary Carson or her father William?
This is the most probable possibility that I have found. According to Hassler, “Suggested to me that this Captain Carson was the father of the wife of General James O’Hara, whose maiden name was Mary Carson” Mary’s father was an innkeeper and never at sea other that coming to America. O’Hara was a captain and this is the captain Hassler may be referring to. Everyone connected with this knew one another and Bedford. Could the person who suggested to Hassler got it wrong and meant to say husband? This remains murky and the only thing I can twist out of this is that Bedford may have named after Mary Carson, the grandmother of Mary Schenley.

In her writing; Trunk, Margaret Scully
Mary Carson O’Hara’s father, William was the owner of the Harp & Crown in Philadelphia. It, as many taverns were in those days, were very respectable meeting places. Scully quoted Henry Marie Brackenridge who said “
The landlords or tavernkeepers are in reality the only lords we have in Pennsylvania: they possess a degree of intelligence and respectability of character which justly gives them influence…” Congress adjourned upon the death of William Carson.

Ed’s Conclusion
There is no evidence that Bedford knew William Carson. Let us assume that he did. Bedford was in Philadelphia in or about 1770. O’Hara arrived in 1772. Mary Carson was born in 1761. Bedford would have known Carson for only a short time. But he knew James and Mary O’Hara in Pittsburgh for a longer time. They were very active in many business and social activities here. When Bedford laid-out Birmingham in 1822 both James and Mary were living. William has passed. The streets were named after people he knew well and were well involved with, both in Pittsburgh and England. Carson was a predominant street and the person named for it had to have prominence in Bedford’s eyes. Bingham Street was to have been the main street running through Birmingham and it was named after his sister. It was to be a residential street and the reason why he placed the market house there. Carson was a wide street but was less residential and more for commerce and trade. The naming of the street would not be idle thought.

Facts get twisted over time or never documented early on. Somebody had to ask Bedford who Carson was named after, or he would have identified it when he identified the others. The “captain” could have been in reference to James O’Hara who was a captain in Philadelphia before he became Quartermaster General when in Pittsburgh. But I accept the Philadelphia connection as valid. I have to think he had strong ties with O’Hara and his wife. Most of the streets other than Bingham, were named after men, which would have been part of the social norms then. Knowing that William Carson was Mary’s father, James’ father-in-law, and a respected tavern keeper,
I have to conclude that Carson Street was named after William Carson of Philadelphia.

I would be interested if others have a different conclusion. But it is important to look at dates when things took place. Evidence can confirm or discredited by additional evidence. I have read many books on a particular subject and they all repeat the same narrative. But other evidence can call into question the accepted facts. One needs to search for evidence, especially if many sources all repeat the same story. In this case I have read where O’Hara and Carson came to Pittsburgh on horseback and their goods via wagon. That may be true and I can’t discredit it. But another But another credible source said they came to Pittsburgh with General Anthony Wayne and his contingent. That does not conflict but does show that there is something more to see.